HELP: What kind of moderation should Twoism.org adopt?

[Scyye]

I voted for stricter moderation.

Why? I think our current rules are already more than lenient and reasonable enough.

Rule 5, 6, and 7 are what it's all about in the current discussions it seems:

5) Do not set up multiple accounts, sign in to spam, or post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, racist, sexually-oriented, or any other material that may violate any applicable laws.

6) Do not post provocative messages to purposefully cause disruption and arguments. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider informed).

7) Do not post off-topic messages inside of forum threads

I don't see why we shouldn't be strict with regards to these rules. Do we really need toxic behaviour that makes people feel unsafe or even stay away? That's not the Twoism I signed up for in 2004.

I voted "balanced" but I agree 100%. The many votes for less moderation are worrying.

[2020k]

I've posted some questionable stuff. I don't hate a single organism on this planet though, even mosquitos have their place. I don't think we can grow as a species if we don't challenge each others' beliefs. I voted for greater freedom of expression, even if I say something that I later regret. Life hurts sometimes. Find your own center.

I deeply appreciate hearing from you.

[2020k]

hello
ive mostly been lurking around the new release and speculation thread, so it is quite shocking to see people talking about how trans people are sexual fetishists in this thread, and the general anti trans sentiment coming from this thread.
ive felt unsafe and unwelcomed at many parts of the internet, and i did not expect a forum about an electronics band being one such place.

to put it plainly, a place that is tolerant to intolerance is an intolerant place, and if this talk about sexual fetishism and freeze peach will continue, all of the queer and gay people will simply leave.
i have been facing bs at work and online and at family gatherings and so when i get to actually choose the places i get to be in i wont choose one that is actively hostile towards me.
things have been depressing enough as it is and places like this forum should offer an escape.

if u wanna act like a prick towards queer ppl, there are plenty enough places to do that on the internet as it is
leave us alone

I do want to let you know that there a lot of longstanding Twoism members who are trans, so I hope you find a sense of community here and wish that you'd post more!

We don't tolerate transphobia here. FWIW I don't identify as trans, but I am nonbinary and queer, and have been in the Electronic Music Scene since 2004, so there's an expert on those issues on the mod team and I've always swiftly dealt with those issues if they arise on the forum. I understand, inherently, when someone is being discriminatory even on the most benign, insidious, "devil's advocate" or "let's play a game" levels. Yes, this response is pointed at vitriolie and serves as a warning, though I do appreciate hearing from him as well.

We are not "play games" in this thread. Zero tolerance is zero tolerance and hate is zero tolerance around here. It's been rules 5 and 6 since the dawn of time.

[vitriolie]

hello
ive mostly been lurking around the new release and speculation thread, so it is quite shocking to see people talking about how trans people are sexual fetishists in this thread, and the general anti trans sentiment coming from this thread.
ive felt unsafe and unwelcomed at many parts of the internet, and i did not expect a forum about an electronics band being one such place.

to put it plainly, a place that is tolerant to intolerance is an intolerant place, and if this talk about sexual fetishism and freeze peach will continue, all of the queer and gay people will simply leave.
i have been facing bs at work and online and at family gatherings and so when i get to actually choose the places i get to be in i wont choose one that is actively hostile towards me.
things have been depressing enough as it is and places like this forum should offer an escape.

if u wanna act like a prick towards queer ppl, there are plenty enough places to do that on the internet as it is
leave us alone

I do want to let you know that there a lot of longstanding Twoism members who are trans, so I hope you find a sense of community here and wish that you'd post more!

We don't tolerate transphobia here. FWIW I don't identify as trans, but I am nonbinary and queer, and have been in the Electronic Music Scene since 2004, so there's an expert on those issues on the mod team and I've always swiftly dealt with those issues if they arise on the forum. I understand, inherently, when someone is being discriminatory even on the most benign, insidious, "devil's advocate" or "let's play a game" levels. Yes, this response is pointed at vitriolie and serves as a warning, though I do appreciate hearing from him as well.

We are not "play games" in this thread. Zero tolerance is zero tolerance and hate is zero tolerance around here. It's been rules 5 and 6 since the dawn of time.

You are absolutely crazy in the head to think that someone hidden behind the internet account, by his/her/they imagination, will not allow me to think or say something on the internet.

Stay safe brothers and sisters

[Orbited insanitarium]

You are absolutely crazy in the head to think that someone hidden behind the internet account, by his/her/they imagination, will not allow me to think or say something on the internet.

Stay safe brothers and sisters

Unfortunately arvy, what you fail to realise, is that while you are here on this forum, you are bound by our rules, in place longer than you have been a member. Whether you like it or not, there will be actions for your actions by those rules.

You can go to a place with fewer consequences if you'd like, and no-one is stopping you, but twoism has no nature to single out your divisive language from the rest, simple.

[zeoevil]

I've mostly been lurking around the new release and speculation thread, so it is quite shocking to see people talking about how trans people are sexual fetishists in this thread, and the general anti trans sentiment coming from this thread.

I never meant to imply that trans people are sexual fetishists only that there is a difference between genuine gender dysphoria and sexual fetishism and that there might be a correlation between the two (remember that correlation does not imply causation). It's important to recognize that gender identity is a complex and deeply personal experience that goes beyond mere sexual attraction or fetish. Understanding this distinction can foster more respectful and informed discussions about the experiences of trans individuals and the challenges they face. I apologize that my language was unclear. These are the kinds of topics that people should be able to discuss

[Negamuse]

Counterpoint: this is after all a music discussion forum, and do we have to have every available forum be a dissection of the validity of our identities? Because into those discussions, inevitably, conspiracy minded bigots wanting to start shit come and well... Start.

This place was at it's best when it was a chill place for people with a common interest to hang out, and the overly permissive attitude to allowing any and all opinions gradually turned a lot of cool people away.

We can only take the one very important thought quote so far. It is important that no speech is criminalised. But that doesn't mean every clubhouse turns into an avenue for people to bring toxicity. Bars have door rules and ultimately bouncers for a reason. It's fine to say "take it somewhere else" and if people don't, show them out.

Voted "stricter moderation" if it wasn't obvious... Go back ten years and look at a forum where people were talking and creating and inspiring and not just laundering conspiracy theory podcasts and right wing idealogues opinions on the basis of "just debating, bro".

Sorry to be blunt about it, but it's been getting under my skin a lot recently and I don't want to see all the cool people leave and have this place become another thing the Joe Rogan mindset ruined

[vitriolie]

I think you need to chill. Thinking that people here are being honest, you can almost hear the pain they’re sharing. But even that doesn’t give anyone the right to impose their opinion on others.

Honestly, you just made a stinker here—mixing everything with your anxiety about politics and lashing out at others. This is toxic behavior, right here.

And can you stop talking about Trump for a moment? Not everything has to revolve around politics or your stance on it. Who cares? Exactly—nobody. Go vent somewhere else.

Like many others, I didn’t sign up for a “you can’t say this or that” forum. I signed up for twoism.org, which is a strange name for a strange album by a very strange band.

Let’s embrace strangeness and wild conspiracies—from legends like Opotgecary and Cupz to the weird goons like asymptote and watercan, bringing in different opinions and views.

So if you don’t like it, the door’s right there.

And if not, you can always go for a walk—it usually helps.

[Radiobuzz]

So if you don’t like it, the door’s right there.

Humm sorry, who are you again? And why do you feel entitled to kick users from this forum in which you've only been in for 6 months? The nerve of these incels.

And like it or not, everything is politics.

Also fuck trump.

[Orbited insanitarium]

Like many others, I didn’t sign up for a “you can’t say this or that” forum. I signed up for twoism.org, which is a strange name for a strange album by a very strange band.

Okay, you didn't sign up for political debate, and silencing of freedom of speech, yet your current username literally has "vitriol" in it, a word meaning intentional malice and bitter criticism? Come on! Not very positive of you! You wanna reach for the stars and see this forum thrive in experimentalism of thought? Maybe don't name yourself after a descriptor of anger and hate.

I do appreciate what you originally signed up for in 2013 as arvy, but it clearly no longer has your attention. What changed you to become so politically focused as of late? It's not even the politics themselves, but the newfound concentration and drab repetition, I remember you as a multifaceted intriguing fella with your contributions in threads.

And can you stop talking about Trump for a moment? Not everything has to revolve around politics or your stance on it. Who cares? Exactly—nobody. Go vent somewhere else.

Quite the self-report there

[Orbited insanitarium]

Voted "stricter moderation" if it wasn't obvious... Go back ten years and look at a forum where people were talking and creating and inspiring and not just laundering conspiracy theory podcasts and right wing idealogues opinions on the basis of "just debating, bro".

It was a fun time in twoism's history, I love reading those old topics.

[Negamuse]

It was. It can be again! Having a bunch of people around making stuff instead of raking over toxicity keeps the place active in the gaps between albums. There's been a lot of very talented people come through here over the years.

Thanks to the mods for taking this topic seriously.

[Sherbet Head]

Balanced, or more permissive, but certainly not stricter moderation.

I'm all for freedom of speech and everyone being able to express their points of view, however, if someone's simply being a dick for the sake of being a dick, then there shouldn't be any tolerance for them.

Also, I don't believe that strict moderation is something that would align with Boards' ethos. I know they don't participate in this community (at least that we are aware of) but they've essentially accepted it as a semi-official public forum, so it would feel somewhat wrong to brazenly go against their beliefs. It would be very disappointing to see this place become a dictatorship.