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[Mexicola]

This evening's 'Charles Darwin - Natural Selection In Action' award goes to.....

This guy!

Congratulations.

[Perch]

the website is kinda goofy to navigate through to keep finding the next episodes, but I thought you guys might get a kick out of some of these instruments if you haven't already seen this,
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/01/ ... isode-one/

[pianoforte]

This evening's 'Charles Darwin - Natural Selection In Action' award goes to.....

This guy!

Congratulations.

[portiss]

This evening's 'Charles Darwin - Natural Selection In Action' award goes to.....

This guy!

Congratulations.

It may be a bit harsh, but I can only laugh about stuff like this. I'm not really fond of the idea of having guns anyway, but if you own them, be responsible with them, and check everything over and over. Not holding them to your head. Haha, moron.

[747Music]

This evening's 'Charles Darwin - Natural Selection In Action' award goes to.....

This guy!

Congratulations.

It may be a bit harsh, but I can only laugh about stuff like this. I'm not really fond of the idea of having guns anyway, but if you own them, be responsible with them, and check everything over and over. Not holding them to your head. Haha, moron.

This reminds me of the recent event of a terrorist who blew up his class teaching them about suicide bombing. Ridiculous.
Death is horrible, and I wish it upon no one, but come on...

[fujee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DcVRthVyRw

[Mexicola]

To clarify, I'm not glad the guy is dead in the slightest and I wish it had never happened.
But equally, it's hard not to snigger a little...

[Jonse]

This evening's 'Charles Darwin - Natural Selection In Action' award goes to.....

This guy!

Congratulations.

Guy was a fucking idiot.

You don't demonstrate gun safety with a loaded weapon. Literally everyone I know who owns a gun knows that and will yell at the top of their lungs if a weapon is loaded for no good reason.

Congratulations Detroit, for apparently lacking any professional instructors.

Dude shot himself himself apparently by accident though, which is unfortunate, though like I said he must have been a tremendous fucking idiot.

Excuse me for my harshness, it's just that because we have this big stupid federal government filled with idiots, particularly in the senate and the house of representatives, every time something like this happens it's just one step closer to a situation akin to a kindergarten teacher saying "Okay, one kid here drew on my desk with markers? Okay, nobody in the whole class gets markers now, even the kid who only uses his to draw on his own paper."

May not be the most applicable analogy, but I've yet to have my coffee.

[fujee]

Peoples shouldn't be allowed guns in the first place. Why does any civilian need a gun.

[Jonse]

Peoples shouldn't be allowed guns in the first place. Why does any civilian need a gun.

I could say just about anything but it wouldn't really make a difference. Nothing to do with you - you're alright, it's just the nature of these things. That said I'll attempt to express this in one long, exhaling sigh:

Rhetorical: Why is it your business when you live in a country that has successfully made guns illegal for civilian use (without forgetting to take them away from the police as well) and doesn't have gun culture deeply ingrained into your society? Pick apart all the wrong the US does in terms of foreign policy and I'll be right there with you, however this is domestic. Could it be for us in the states, possibly, that our population, population density and the bulk of the masses' societal beliefs prohibits a successful transition from at once having guns and then having no guns? Could it be that measures have been put in place when possible to try and take it a step forward? I think almost everyone pretty quickly came to the same conclusion that automatic weapons weren't necessary for civilian use in ANY practical situation whether it be defense or recreation, and that was a good change. That's just one step though.

Also, maybe - just maybe - civilians like to hunt/trap shoot/shoot at a firing range for completely recreational or in terms of hunting often ethical reasons?

I am a depressed, pure-O form OCD patient with social anxiety and it ruins my life every day. My gun is holstered, in a drawer, unloaded. Where it will stay until my brother wants to go shooting again. Haven't killed anyone, haven't pulled it at anyone, haven't even been in a fist fight once in my life. Hell, if I ever fire it at a live target it'll be myself when I've had enough of life being so fucking shit all the time.

So, if those around me treat their firearms in a similar manner (and they do), and I live in what is supposed to be a union, it seems reasonable to me that states looking to make guns illegal will do so on a state by state basis. Unfortunately, because the second amendment exists it looks to ostensibly be "guns or no guns for everyone" (discounting Texas who will probably secede and then be declared an enemy or threat by the US federal government). This is where the problem comes in, and I do not want to see the violence that occurs when and if that happens. I also hate being lumped in with the motherfuckers that would execute such violence under one stupid fucking flag that should be burned or at the very least hung upside down at the moment and for the last 16 years or so.


If I lived in a world where guns didn't exist at all, I'd be happier. Same with drugs. That's not reality though.

[fujee]

I know we obviously disagree, and I don't want tempers to flare, but here are my two cents:

I don't believe in hunting, I don't believe it is a legitimate reason to own a gun, mainly because I don't believe there actually is such thing as a "fair chase" when you can use high powered, long sight scopes on weapons rendering the supposed 'chase' merely a competition as to who can hold the gun steadiest. Hunting panders to an inferiority complex. If you want to shoot an animal, be a man and use a camera. We have no need to hunt animals any more.

Secondly, a gun can only ever carry violent connotations. Even if you do use your gun responsibly and take all the correct safety precautions, you're still not getting away from the fact that the thing you hold in your hand is used to kill and injure people/animals. You can be Captain safety all the way, but it doesn't ever detract from the incredibly malevolent significance guns carry. Take away the gun and you take away the risk of hurting anyone, including yourself.

When the constitution was written, it was perhaps a necessity, in those volatile early years, to own a gun. But now? There is no reason. No reason beyond wanting to pander the ego, threaten or hurt someone.

[Jonse]

I know we obviously disagree, and I don't want tempers to flare man but this is my two cents..

I don't believe in hunting, I don't believe it is a legitimate reason to own a gun, mainly because I don't believe there actually is such thing as a "fair chase" when you can use high powered, long sight scopes on weapons rendering the supposed 'chase' merely a competition as to who can hold the gun steadiest. Hunting panders to an inferiority complex. If you want to shoot an animal, be a man and use a camera. We have no need to hunt animals any more.

Secondly, a gun can only ever carry violent connotations. Even if you do use your gun responsibly and take all the correct safety precautions, you're still not getting away from the fact that the thing you hold in your hand is used to kill and injure people/animals. You can be Captain safety all the way, but it doesn't ever detract from the incredibly malevolent significance guns carry. Take away the gun and you take away the risk of hurting anyone, including yourself.

When the constitution was written, it was perhaps a necessity, in those volatile early years, to own a gun. But now? There is no reason. No reason beyond wanting to pander the ego, threaten or hurt someone.

You're not. I'm pretty well tempered and like I said, it's not you.

As you stated you don't believe in hunting - this is fine. It still remains a reason though. Many people would disagree purely on the grounds that they would prefer to hunt their own food. Joe Rogan had a great segment on his podcast about it, where he stated that prior to a hunting trip he was either going to become a vegetarian or a hunter, and he chose to become a hunter. I think it's less about "fair competition", which would be like a guy with a stick that has a sharp rock on the end of it vs. his prey, but more about the fact that the animals live a completely natural life up until the point they are killed instantly by the bullet - no slaughter houses, no meat industry, etc. Is this the way I live? No, so I guess you could say I don't believe in it either. I don't hunt, I only fish, but I'm not going to deny one their ability to hunt.

Secondly...the thing I use is never for that purpose. Was it designed for that purpose? Yes, in part at least because this is a weapon specialized for use at a firing range yet it's still a firearm, but I don't plan on using it for that purpose (obviously). I don't need anyone that might take a violent connotation from it to see it at all, I'm not one of these people who feels the need to open carry a weapon, so the only people who will see it are people who know "we're going shooting". I obviously cannot speak for everyone else.

As for the last part, that's the only thing that might potentially "flare tempers". If I choose to kill myself it's my decision and that of no one else - the end. Period. I have nobody to take care of or serious responsibilities I would leave behind, nor am I obliged to live, nor did I ask to live particularly with these disorders and in this country on this planet. If a friend of mine suffering from something crippling decided to take their own life, I would support whatever their decision is. If a man who is totally fine loses his job, comes home, drinks until he's heavily under the influence and then contemplates it I might advise that it need not be necessary, but even still it's his choice. A comedian I really, really love from my state actually is Doug Stanhope, and he has a bit where he puts it very well in words: "Life is like animal porn - it's not for everyone." While simultaneously making me laugh that pretty much sums up shortly a right to die position's justification, and as it is subjective from person to person it needs no more than that.

As for the part about the constitution, I couldn't care less what it says. It's actually part of the problem somewhat because like I said it adds a layer of federal bullshit to states that may or may not want to have guns be legal.

Finally, I just want to say that we disagree less than you probably think. I enjoy target shooting with my brother but it's superficial and could easily be exchanged with something else. The thing is that I've never seen anyone propose a way we effectively eliminate guns in the United States. It's just not something we can do right now, we need radical shifts in thought and we need people to stop increasing the population even more. That being said, I still enjoy shooting so if guns were outlawed it would be appropriate to have licensed ranges you could go to, rent a gun, and use it within the range and if you walked out with it you'd be in serious trouble. Maybe the same thing for people who want to hunt game, within a certain area of land. In terms of self-defense, at that point (what I expressed about radical shifts in thought) we wouldn't need guns for protection, ever.

[pianoforte]

last night i dreamed rodheh sent me a twoism pm trying to sell me expired 35mm film

[Jonse]

last night i dreamed rodheh sent me a twoism pm trying to sell me expired 35mm film

Sheet man that's what BoC films on.

[fujee]

I know we obviously disagree, and I don't want tempers to flare man but this is my two cents..

I don't believe in hunting, I don't believe it is a legitimate reason to own a gun, mainly because I don't believe there actually is such thing as a "fair chase" when you can use high powered, long sight scopes on weapons rendering the supposed 'chase' merely a competition as to who can hold the gun steadiest. Hunting panders to an inferiority complex. If you want to shoot an animal, be a man and use a camera. We have no need to hunt animals any more.

Secondly, a gun can only ever carry violent connotations. Even if you do use your gun responsibly and take all the correct safety precautions, you're still not getting away from the fact that the thing you hold in your hand is used to kill and injure people/animals. You can be Captain safety all the way, but it doesn't ever detract from the incredibly malevolent significance guns carry. Take away the gun and you take away the risk of hurting anyone, including yourself.

When the constitution was written, it was perhaps a necessity, in those volatile early years, to own a gun. But now? There is no reason. No reason beyond wanting to pander the ego, threaten or hurt someone.

You're not. I'm pretty well tempered and like I said, it's not you.

As you stated you don't believe in hunting - this is fine. It still remains a reason though. Many people would disagree purely on the grounds that they would prefer to hunt their own food. Joe Rogan had a great segment on his podcast about it, where he stated that prior to a hunting trip he was either going to become a vegetarian or a hunter, and he chose to become a hunter. I think it's less about "fair competition", which would be like a guy with a stick that has a sharp rock on the end of it vs. his prey, but more about the fact that the animals live a completely natural life up until the point they are killed instantly by the bullet - no slaughter houses, no meat industry, etc. Is this the way I live? No, so I guess you could say I don't believe in it either. I don't hunt, I only fish, but I'm not going to deny one their ability to hunt.

Secondly...the thing I use is never for that purpose. Was it designed for that purpose? Yes, in part at least because this is a weapon specialized for use at a firing range yet it's still a firearm, but I don't plan on using it for that purpose (obviously). I don't need anyone that might take a violent connotation from it to see it at all, I'm not one of these people who feels the need to open carry a weapon, so the only people who will see it are people who know "we're going shooting". I obviously cannot speak for everyone else.

As for the last part, that's the only thing that might potentially "flare tempers". If I choose to kill myself it's my decision and that of no one else - the end. Period. I have nobody to take care of or serious responsibilities I would leave behind, nor am I obliged to live, nor did I ask to live particularly with these disorders and in this country on this planet. If a friend of mine suffering from something crippling decided to take their own life, I would support whatever their decision is. If a man who is totally fine loses his job, comes home, drinks until he's heavily under the influence and then contemplates it I might advise that it need not be necessary, but even still it's his choice. A comedian I really, really love from my state actually is Doug Stanhope, and he has a bit where he puts it very well in words: "Life is like animal porn - it's not for everyone." While simultaneously making me laugh that pretty much sums up shortly a right to die position's justification, and as it is subjective from person to person it needs no more than that.

As for the part about the constitution, I couldn't care less what it says. It's actually part of the problem somewhat because like I said it adds a layer of federal bullshit to states that may or may not want to have guns be legal.

Finally, I just want to say that we disagree less than you probably think. I enjoy target shooting with my brother but it's superficial and could easily be exchanged with something else. The thing is that I've never seen anyone propose a way we effectively eliminate guns in the United States. It's just not something we can do right now, we need radical shifts in thought and we need people to stop increasing the population even more. That being said, I still enjoy shooting so if guns were outlawed it would be appropriate to have licensed ranges you could go to, rent a gun, and use it within the range and if you walked out with it you'd be in serious trouble. Maybe the same thing for people who want to hunt game, within a certain area of land. In terms of self-defense, at that point (what I expressed about radical shifts in thought) we wouldn't need guns for protection, ever.

Yeah that's well explained, I understand entirely. Maybe it is just my disposition, but I can never see a good enough reason to own a gun. In my opinion, they are one of the worst inventions ever. Glad that we had an adult conversation about this, don't get that on any other forum other than Twoism. Anyway, besides that, I hope everything is good with you. Have a good weekend!

[Jonse]

They are one of the worst inventions ever, the product of one of the worst species ever, to commit atrocities. If they never existed we'd be better off. My point mainly is that those who use them for things that hurt nobody shouldn't get a kick in the face like sociopaths who murder.

Good weekend to you too.

It's fucking crunch time for my OOT track(s) as of 12PM here.

[Sammy_P]

probably not the best topic to ask this, but does this forum have an IRC chat thing?

[Mexicola]

probably not the best topic to ask this, but does this forum have an IRC chat thing?

I believe so, yes.

No idea if it's any good? Tend to chat to Twoismers via Facebook myself

[fujee]

Seriously considering cycling up to Scotland this spring, anyone got a sofa for me to kip on? I am an excellent beer drinker also.

[Techboy]

How many days man? If you get any better offers take them also as my couch is Ikea's cheapest, nastiest offering. Plenty of cushions though.