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NorthSaturnian wrote:i feel so weak, and nothing interests me anymore. how do i get over this? would appreciate to hear some stories of recovery. i feel trapped.


The fact that you want to get over it implies you see it as an obstacle and causes it to persist. Even though it is honest and understandable that is not the way and causes your suffering. There is a deep truth to these feelings and they are only here to help you divert your attention away from experience towards your peaceful Being that you already are (unknowingly).

Just sit with those feelings of weakness and/or boredom or whatever it is and just allow it to be. Just say: "I surrender to my experience" and really mean it and connect with it. It's all about not fighting Life. Life can take on any form, including the feeling of weakness and boredom. It might be uncomfortable and we want to get away from those experiences but they are just as pure as the more desirable feelings. You can't split Life into two categories.

The 'I' that experiences "negative" feelings or thoughts is the same 'I' that experiences the opposite "positive" ones. Therein lies the liberation from all experience, from the world.

The reason you feel trapped is because you are identified with your mind, thinking. What you are (awareness) is always already free from any experience. See that all experience (including thoughts) comes and goes, only you as the 'I' Awareness is always here and now. It never began and therefore cannot end. It sees everything come and go. That is inner peace.
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NorthSaturnian wrote:i feel so weak, and nothing interests me anymore. how do i get over this? would appreciate to hear some stories of recovery. i feel trapped.

Time. Time puts everything in its place. And give answers to all the questions. Give it time
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You ever feel like saying or sharing something, then your realize nobody really cares, and then you just.. don't.

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i got over it :mrgreen:
turns out all i needed to do was stop sulking and moping
thank you wonderful twoism.org people for the great advice in this thread. :D
wishing the best for any brothers struggling right now
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NorthSaturnian wrote:i got over it :mrgreen:
turns out all i needed to do was stop sulking and moping
Never woulda thought of that :roll:

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NorthSaturnian wrote:i got over it :mrgreen:
turns out all i needed to do was stop sulking and moping
Never woulda thought of that :roll:

oh you know what i mean, that was just my case. i'm not saying depression = just being lazy or mopey
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I think what some people call a depression is just a small period in their life where they feel like shit or are stuck, often caused by external circumstances. But that's not comparable to a real depression.

Either way, it doesn't really matter because the way to approach it is the same in both cases. Though in the latter it is much more persistent and intense most of the time so it requires a lot more willingness to get through it. And most importantly compared to the former case it is mostly an existential crisis, which is why it persists. There is literally no end to it if it isn't treated right.
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Lost my job on Friday. Co-workers are slowly coming out of the woodwork to let me know that they're suffering the same sort of intimidation from management. A lot of mine was discriminatory and it was not fun. :(

I have other things lined up thankfully. But, still.
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2020k wrote:Lost my job on Friday. Co-workers are slowly coming out of the woodwork to let me know that they're suffering the same sort of intimidation from management. A lot of mine was discriminatory and it was not fun. :(

I have other things lined up thankfully. But, still.

discriminatory? how so?
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I don't feel too comfortable going into it since there's an investigation being looked into everything and I'm easily Googlable, but it was gender and sexuality based.

Starting to land on my feet a bit more quickly than I thought I would, I think? There are a lot of prospects lined up so that I don't go into financial peril, but it still feels shakey and I have a lot of anxiety around it. I'm sure once employment is official it'll calm me.
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Shit man, hope you're ok. That fucking sucks.
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I lost one of my dearest friends recently and it's completely my fault.

I can blame things like past traumas, my sexual anxieties, or a twisted form of goodwill, but the real reason is something I feel is far deeper and something I purposely neglect to bring up as the reason, for I find it to be both shameful and sinister. The truth is that deep down there exists a person (Let's call them "Xemyr"zeh-meer) that at a crucial time of development found themselves studying a curriculum of negative rhetoric. Racism, sexism, bullying, Transphobia, you name it. They felt the world was deserving of scorn and ridicule, the felt they were deserving of delivering said scorn and ridicule for no justifiable reason. They grew to see the world around them seem to adjust to these ideals and laughed along the way, getting themselves involved in certain hornets' nests of negative activity that thrived on this form of chaos and destruction.

One day they finally lost someone truly important in their lives and the body that hosted Xemyr (i.e. me typing this) attempted to reject them, and for a while, they thought they did. While a better person was unlocked from deep within, Xemyr merely remained dormant, nourished by the natural anxiety, depression, and stubbornness that resided in the host's DNA.

Xemyr took advantage of me at a vulnerable and unprotected position and caused me to hurt a dear friend. Neurotic strings and buttons were pulled and pressed. I was convinced that I was hurt and should retaliate in kind. I was convinced that I should be in control of someone's lifestyle choices. It's too late now that I realize what I actually did and I only have myself to blame. I never admitted to these horrible remnants of rhetoric that lay dormant deep down inside me, and now I've let them hurt another one. I've even resorted to thoughts of suicide in an effort to expunge this person in me because I'm too scared to fight them on my own.

I just wish I could admit to you not only that I know I was wrong, but how I was wrong, and how I've been wrong before. I hope someday you'll return and forgive me, but for now I lay in the bed I made.

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Fuck, I'm so cringe.

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rodox_head wrote:Fuck, I'm so cringe.


I perfectly understand what you are getting across however, your sense of alter egos and extremities tied together, trying to overwhelm you as a fleshed out force.

As you say, it drove your friend away. But your loss must be great, I'm so sorry you blame an rising area of yourself full of negativity. It's not you all of the time, and you suppress it. I see your guilt, it's ok rodox.
Can I ask you in privatest confidence how they passed?
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Orbited insanitarium wrote:
rodox_head wrote:Fuck, I'm so cringe.


I perfectly understand what you are getting across however, your sense of alter egos and extremities tied together, trying to overwhelm you as a fleshed out force.

As you say, it drove your friend away. But your loss must be great, I'm so sorry you blame an rising area of yourself full of negativity. It's not you all of the time, and you suppress it. I see your guilt, it's ok rodox.
Can I ask you in privatest confidence how they passed?
I'll elaborate through PM, but I'll clarify here that nobody died, just left my life.

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By having so much potentiality there is a lot that lies dormant in our minds. I don’t know if it would change the decisions of the person who left but admitting you were in the wrong is a power move. It might help exorcise any rhetorical devices still hanging around as subconscious entities. Or it could all just be explained away as a phase you went through.

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Well, i wanted to post in this thread for a while, and im not sure how much i should open up, but im just a random person on the internet, and maybe this could help someone.

I have been diagnosed with what is called schizoid personality disorder. You can google it, but basically it means i tend to stay away from people as much as i can, whilst at the same time i crave connection with others, instead chosing to live in my inner world. It feels as if you are sitting on a bench, watching people and their lives, knowing that although you want to be like them, its impossible. It causes me severe depression every few weeks, and meds only aliviate it to some extent, while i also go to therapy regularly, twice a week.

This illness caused me to drop out of school when i was 17 due to severe anxiety, and i gotten heavily into drugs. Whilst i never did anything like coke or heroin, psychedelics and weed fucked me up even more, as i was self medicating with them till i was 24, never seeking any help, cause i had a bad experience with therapy whilst i was still at school. I didnt work, and only had a small, hermetic circle of friends. I spent most of my days playing games, listening to music, and getting stoned. I had no hope of ever recovering from this.

In 2019 after being on a brink of psychosis i finally reached out to a therapist, and was put on meds. In the following years i managed to make some new friends for the first time in probably 10 years, found a job i really like, turned into music instead of taking drugs, and i've gotten my high school diploma. Now im going to a programmers course at the same school, perhaps i will try to go to university next year to study mechatronics, but im not sure im going to be able because of the way i live.

I still spend almost all of my time alone, in my inner world, that i have created and nurtured since i was a kid. Alot of my days are spent just in this haze of thoughts and feelings, that sometimes keep me in bed for days, where aside from reading some stuff on the internet, i just "live there" like most people live "outside" of themselves. Might sound like schizophrenia, but the difference is i dont experience hallucinations, and im fully aware of all this, while schizophrenics are unaware of their fantasies and hallucinations being just that. There is also no medication for this specifically, only antidepressants for the depression and anxiety associated with this.

Its still a burden to be around people, and i want to be alone, but im not running away from people anymore. There is still an awful lot to be done, and im always going to be on the outside, but i think there is always something to be done.

Depression, and other similar problems, although you can neglect them, it will always comeback, cause it conveys some information there, that you are not willing to adress, some unsolved issue.

Sometimes it can be hard to pinpoint, so it makes sense to seek help in trying to look for ways to solve it, even if you lost all hope - i was there, trust me. And it still haunts me, like a wound that will never heal. But dont give up on yourself, cause you are not alone in this.

This thread only shows that we all share some of this issues, so imo we shouldn't see ourselves as seperate entities, but as something that is universal. I used to study alot of J. Krishnamurti, and he once said, that there is no individual human being, but we are all in a way, one organism, with an illusion of separate entry points of experience, that all create a universal mind, that makes us percieve although unique experiences on the surface, we all go through the same turmoils non the less. And perhaps by realizing this, collectively, we could create a better world for all of us.

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This is from a scene in Silent Hill: Downpour that contains one of, if not my favorite quotes from the series. I think about this scene a lot due to how bluntly it states the feeling of living with your own mistakes.

(Murphy walks out to find JP Sater standing over a ledge overlooking the Devil's Pit chasm, contemplating jumping)
Murphy: Sater!
JP Sater: Oh, it's just you.
M: What are you doing JP?
JP: Aw, you know, enjoyin' the view.
You know, they say if you were to put the Empire State Building in here it wouldn't even reach halfway to the top of this place.
M: Seems like a dangerous place to be sight-seeing.
JP: You know, none of the things they said about me are true. The papers and stuff? People 'round town? My lawyers, they said it was just... circumstantial evidence and whatnot. That's what I kept tellin' 'em.
M: Yeah, I read all about it.
JP: Those newspaper men are god damned fucking liars!
M: Relax, man. We're just talking here.
JP: What happened, that was an accident. I didn't mean to hurt nobody. I didn't murder nobody. Murder's a mortal sin, you go to Hell for murder. Ain't that right, Murphy? Surely your mama taught you 'bout what's right and what's wrong?
M: Those kids had parents that might disagree with you. The paper mentioned negligence-
JP: It was an accident!
M: You were completely hammered! There were witnesses!
JP: And how 'bout you Murphy? Someone know all your dirty little secrets?
M: I never hurt anybody that didn't deserve it, and I sure as Hell never hurt any kids. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
JP: Heh, you call this livin'? Can you imagine what that's like, Murphy... Livin' all your life inside someone else's lie? Can you? Heh, listen to us talk, as if anybody out there gives a damn...
When we're the ones who decide if we can live with what we've done.

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Thats true. We cant turn away from our mistakes, and who we are. I mean we can, but it will always comeback, and it does. You can do all you want, to run away from yourself, but in the end, you will always find your own reflection in the things that make you forget.

Its hard to admit, that the path we roam, is exactly the path that we have chosen for ourselves. Even if we were hurt and shaped by outside events and circumstances.

Im as much of an atheist as you can get, but at the same time i do belive there is something above, like a guiding principle, or whatever, and all of the events that happen in our life, happen for a reason. Its worth a while to enquire into it, so we can break free of unnecessary suffering.

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^ good take

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