GENERAL NEW RELEASE SPECULATION TOPIC PART II

[Davism]

I love BoC and the fans, of which I've been a hardcore one since 1998...so many killer sample/kit reveals by Twoism/WATMM over the years, thanks for that so much.

We are the most obsessive, caring (and slightly creepy) fans that any band could wish to have (or not) as a base, maybe?
Which definitely freaks them out a wee bit (the stalky part, that is...of that I know summat, less of which better said).

Suffice to say, I've heard word since 2022 that the (potentially last) LP has been pretty much good to go, but life got in the way (as it tends to).

Not at liberty to divulge details, cos it relates to my dear friend's dear friend, who has a very personal interaction with someone in the immediate BoC family. My pal, and his pal, are well old school anyhoo, so no danger on that internet front to be honest.

Sounds like a pisstake I'm sure, but I'm 55 and have known my dear friend since 1998 and it was quite an odd BoC-end to hear about all this in 2022, after my initial BoC intro having met/barely known an HS acolyte at Dundee art college in the mid to late 90s.

TL/DR: random dude on internet says LP5 is happening, as confirmed by MDG years ago. It'll happen. Chill.

Feel a bit weird typing this all out, I'm an old-ish man, only a month to a year older than either of the lads.
Just had some big news recently (not good, alas) so thought I'd try and spread some BoC-light.

These are dark times, have felt like posting something a couple of times over the last two years but it never felt right, doesnae even now to be honest, but hey ho, fuck it. We're all gonna die at some point eh.

Definitely some new BOC sometime in our lifetime, assuming you're not older than 80....yeah? That's right.

Love you Twoism!

x

ravedamage

Thanks for the confirmation. This was the perfect time to drop that!

[luminousdusk]

Of course, Because we all know how little they care for leaks, Privacy and what-not

[2020k]

Looking back 14 years and all that has changed and all that has happened in my life, your lives and theirs.. There's a good chance they gave up making music for release. Anything could have happened to them. We will never know if this happened or that happened.

Likes on Facebook comments are completely meaningless. Could be warp saying yes we agree a new album would be nice.

Honestly I think we're being fucked with and I don't think this persistent hope in the eternal darkness of space is healthy.

I'm good to talk about what we have but I can't keep hoping for the rest of my life. Time to call it a day.

Certain member(s) and I have had conversations where [they] feel that I need to, perhaps, be a bit more diplomatic and optimistic about everything that's going on, but I feel much like you when you say that I don't like being fucked with. To that, I say that I don't think we're being fucked with by BOC, but probably fucked with by Warp's marketing department, and it upsets me.

One thing I try to keep in mind is that I don't think that BOC is behind a lot of what's going on on the internet right now. To me, it feels like it's all been Warp. I don't even think the photos for the t-shirt drop was photographed by BOC. I don't think the Dayvan Cowboy upscale was them. I don't think this Twoism post was them. It all feels too business-label-stuff for me.

BOC has never used the internet conventionally and has never promoted projects in conventional ways, so why would they start by posting all over social media platforms, the literal evil reincarnate of the internet, in between projects? It doesn't make sense. BOC liking posts to give their fans dopamine hits feels like the antithesis of what they'd do. This is the band that told us the internet is evil and to go the fuck outside, hence why I think Warp's seized a lot of control and are probably doing a lot more than politely asking BOC for material to release.

I often think about all that's happened in my life since Tomorrow's Harvest was released. I'm a completely different person from that time and when TH came out it was my least favorite LP by them. Now it's my second favorite.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is what BOC has to say in the press cycle for the next album. They're purposefully quiet between album cycles, but have always been candid in interviews, so what has been going on in their lives? I hope they've been okay.

You and I are at the same point, I think, of just throwing our hands up and waiting. The difference between you and I, though, is that I never tried to assign much meaning to anything that's gone on post-TH release. All these number games and hoping something aligns with an anniversary date...it can and has driven people mad. I'm just patiently (and sometimes impatiently) waiting for an actual signal from them. And for the last 12 years, I've been saying "hopefully that's soon."

TL;DR This is a luminousdusk appreciation post.

[luminousdusk]

<3

[luminousdusk]

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[luminousdusk]

[Ando Laj]

For some reason I only just now made the connection that the synth tune in ATP track 3 & the Quiet ad with Leo DiC are the same as what plays in the Sixtyniner interlude. I always recognized the tune but never thought much more about it

[vitriolie]

Looking back 14 years and all that has changed and all that has happened in my life, your lives and theirs.. There's a good chance they gave up making music for release. Anything could have happened to them. We will never know if this happened or that happened.

Likes on Facebook comments are completely meaningless. Could be warp saying yes we agree a new album would be nice.

Honestly I think we're being fucked with and I don't think this persistent hope in the eternal darkness of space is healthy.

I'm good to talk about what we have but I can't keep hoping for the rest of my life. Time to call it a day.

Certain member(s) and I have had conversations where [they] feel that I need to, perhaps, be a bit more diplomatic and optimistic about everything that's going on, but I feel much like you when you say that I don't like being fucked with. To that, I say that I don't think we're being fucked with by BOC, but probably fucked with by Warp's marketing department, and it upsets me.

One thing I try to keep in mind is that I don't think that BOC is behind a lot of what's going on on the internet right now. To me, it feels like it's all been Warp. I don't even think the photos for the t-shirt drop was photographed by BOC. I don't think the Dayvan Cowboy upscale was them. I don't think this Twoism post was them. It all feels too business-label-stuff for me.

BOC has never used the internet conventionally and has never promoted projects in conventional ways, so why would they start by posting all over social media platforms, the literal evil reincarnate of the internet, in between projects? It doesn't make sense. BOC liking posts to give their fans dopamine hits feels like the antithesis of what they'd do. This is the band that told us the internet is evil and to go the fuck outside, hence why I think Warp's seized a lot of control and are probably doing a lot more than politely asking BOC for material to release.

I often think about all that's happened in my life since Tomorrow's Harvest was released. I'm a completely different person from that time and when TH came out it was my least favorite LP by them. Now it's my second favorite.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is what BOC has to say in the press cycle for the next album. They're purposefully quiet between album cycles, but have always been candid in interviews, so what has been going on in their lives? I hope they've been okay.

You and I are at the same point, I think, of just throwing our hands up and waiting. The difference between you and I, though, is that I never tried to assign much meaning to anything that's gone on post-TH release. All these number games and hoping something aligns with an anniversary date...it can and has driven people mad. I'm just patiently (and sometimes impatiently) waiting for an actual signal from them. And for the last 12 years, I've been saying "hopefully that's soon."

TL;DR This is a luminousdusk appreciation post.

Please, think
twice next time, before posting something dumb like this

[hexagonFox]

Let’s stay positive , everyone is allowed to post how they feel about the current wait, and of course the forum is here to post your wild theories without fear of getting shot down. After all it was the community working together that cracked the code for Tomorrows Harvest.

Nobody’s posts here are stupid.

Let’s be kind here

[♄ope keeper]

One thing I'm really looking forward to is what BOC has to say in the press cycle for the next album. They're purposefully quiet between album cycles, but have always been candid in interviews, so what has been going on in their lives? I hope they've been okay.

[Chodlington]

Please, think
twice next time, before posting something dumb like this

Sometimes it is important to consider one's own advice.

[fujee]

BoC liked my comment on Insta about new music. Jus' saying.

[luminousdusk]

If this isnt a sign I don't know what the fuck is




LP05 NOV

I forgot about this.. I'll hold out till Nov and if nothing happens I swear I'm done lol

[steeldancer-x]

Love these thank you for sharing

My lord some of the rest of you. Hope can't exist without faith, the corrective culture/attitude needs to stop. Actin' like BOC is making music SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU. No offense but all of us are the last things on their minds and that is NOT a bad thing. They make this music for THEMSELVES and THEMSELVES ALONE. Count yourself lucky you get to be included in that.

Anyways I found the Midas Touch remix recently for the first time. That was some gold

[magrathea_ultima]

I'll just leave this here for discussion:

Apophenia (/æpoʊˈfiːniə/) is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things (wikipedia)

Under this you will find several cognitive biases and other such things.

Apophenia has also come to describe a human propensity to unreasonably seek definite patterns in random information.

Patternicity as well because it is defined as "the tendency to find meaningful patterns in meaningless noise".

Furthermore, the fact that the latest updates by the publishers be it Bleep or whoever is pulling the strings now has strayed from the values usually assigned with BOC, resorting to AI, Internet use, and generally showing all the signs that the business is just business.

The artists are more or less left to do their thing. I wonder about what contractual obligations might exist on either side of the coin, but I have no idea.

And since the publishing of TH, the music industry has gone through some very radical changes, the commodification of music, the arrival of more and more encroaching technology, and now the whole AI music onslaught that is about to be unleashed.

We have no idea who mans the accounts, official or other, we have guesses, but they are just that, guesses. In fact, it would be a very good point in case on their "The Internet is Evil" take if it was just some accounts that fake their likeness, and they are actually digitally invisible.

I will be the doubting Thomas here and ask to "show me the holes".

Not circumstantial evidence by third parties.

And that's all we have, just noise in the data. MDG is the only "representative" along with PiC and they both have said "it's coming"

But at the end of the day, only Mike and Marcus know.

Everything else is just mish mash and as such, should be taken as nothing more than speculative, as should be given the thread's name.

Let's recap:

LP5 is coming: PiC, MDG.
Everything else is basically wishful thinking.

[Fredd-E]

LP5 is coming: PiC, MDG.
Everything else is basically wishful thinking.

May I ask why you put representative between quotation marks?
MDG *is* their 100% proven legit contact person.

It’s also odd how you put activity on their official account secondary to what PIC or MDG have to say. I’d say it’s the other way round, whatever happens on the official (social) accounts outweigh everyone else.

For me the two most important events regarding LP5
- MDG confirming it
- the official BoC account handing out likes to comments revolving new music.

[luminousdusk]

If an account likes a comment saying "new album please" and we think that's what's happening.. We're making a huge assumption.

I mean I wish that was the case but we have no idea at all

Isn't that the very definition and a great example of confirmation bias?

[Fredd-E]

If an account likes a comment saying "new album please" and we think that's what's happening.. We're making a huge assumption.

I mean I wish that was the case but we have no idea at all

Isn't that the very definition and a great example of confirmation bias?

When an official account (I cannot emphasize this enough) likes not 1, not 10, not 20, but 38 similar comments out of a pool of more than 1,000 comments, in a period of 11 weeks, then you can certainly say that this is more than just a coincidence.

Don't forget that during that period, only comments related to new music were liked. All those other +1,000 comments were left untouched. Is this trivial? I don't think so. Intentional likes, I'd say!

Confirmation bias? I'd rather say Occam's Razor compliant logic.

[Davism]

Doubters: do you believe it was pure luck that they only liked the 38 comments out of 1000s pertaining to a new album?

What else could it mean other than them confirming that a new album is on the way?

[Fredd-E]

Doubters: do you believe it was pure luck that they only liked the 38 comments out of 1000s pertaining to a new album?

What else could it mean other than them confirming that a new album is on the way?

I've seen a bizarre theory floating around here that the account is managed exclusively by Warp, and as such Warp handed out the 38 likes, and not BoC. And Warp did this because Warp wants to show BoC, through their own platform, that they want them to hurry up and release an album because Warp is equally interested in new music. Not a confirmation of things to come, but rather Warp expressing interest/hope in a new album sooner than later.

And then they say we're making crazy assumptions? With the above story, BoC would never agree and would go completely berserk. It would simply have the opposite effect. Very disrespectful to the band and the fans. What a deception.

And also totally out of line with Occam's Razor because there are too many nonsensical assumptions.

The simplest story is and remains that the official BoC account is definitely in the hands of BoC and that those 38 “new album” likes mean what they seem to mean at first glance.

Life is hard enough. This is simple.